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Minute-by-minute: Final US presidential debate 2016

  • Published at 07:13 am October 20th, 2016
  • Last updated at 03:26 pm October 20th, 2016

Today, Clinton clearly seemed to have won the debate. But is still impossible to say whether it was enough to win over undecided voters. Trump needed to win over suburban college educated woman and millennials tonight and he appears have lost them both. Trump's relative self-control was a plus for him, but his unwillingness to say he'd respect the election results was unprecedented and came across as truculent. Trump seemed on the defensive the whole time. At one point during the debate, Trump started saying she's a nasty woman, she's a nasty woman. Probably lost undecided women's voted there. Also, though the breakdown isn't in, she seemed to have spoken for much longer than he did. Clinton did dodge a question about her husband Bill Clinton's indiscretions and careful viewres would have noted that. On the whole, Clinton sounded extremely sharp: her preparation ha been meticulous and she delivered her talking notes at every opportunity that Trump offered. [caption id="attachment_23305" align="aligncenter" width="870"]Chelsea Clinton and her father former US president Bill Clinton listen as Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump and Democratic US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton speak during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool Chelsea Clinton and her father former US president Bill Clinton listen as Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump and Democratic US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton speak during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool[/caption] She seemed more trustworthy than before - her comparison of their last thirty years was brilliant - and she came across as somebody genuinely reaching out to the middle. For core supporters on either side, this debate changed very little. For the undecided, especially younger, voters - I think this final debate will be decisive. 8:36am: Trump's statement remains an attack statement, has a weak attempt to rouse support by referring to uniformed personnel and then his big closing: Voting for Clinton means more of Obama. 8:35am: Her closing statement is reach out to all Americans. 8:33am: Trump has sounded unprepared and ignorant of the details in many of these issues. 8:32am: Clinton says she will not cut benefts. She wants to enhance benefits for some segments of befeciciaries. But she attacks Trump tax cuts as adding to the national debt. Trump interrupts her: “Such a nasty woman.” Throughout Clinton has tried very hard to dscuss policy despite Trump's strategy of focusing on personality issues and attacks. 8:30am: But moderator Chris Wallace points out that the most expensive part of the budget are entitlement payments. Trump jumps in: repeal and replace Obamacare. 8:28am: Now the debt to GDP ratio. Currently at 77%, this is the highest it has been since the second world war. Moderator says the Clinton proposal will take it up to 86% over next ten years; Trump's will take it to 105%. Clinton reaches out to middle class. She is reasonably convincing. Her pledge is that spending will not increasing under her plan. 8:26am: Clinton says " I will defeat ISIS." Trump blames Clinton for the rise of IS. Trump's approach to every policy issue seems to be either 'why didn't you fix this earlier' or 'whatever Clinton says will be ineffective because the leaders of other states are smarter' than his adversaries are. 8:23am: Trump incoherent about Bashar al Assad. We are supporting rebels there, he says , but what if Assad's replaceement is as bad as he is, ahe asks. His point: It would have been better to do nothing. Trump calls the Syrian crisis and refugees as a Trojan horse. 8:21am: Debate breaks down into bickering and argument. Trump shoots: Bernie Sanders says you have bad judgement. Clinton: Who is he supporting for president? Bernie Sanders says Donald Trump is the most dangerous man to run for president in the modern history of the United States. The point goes to Clinton. From Mosul to Aleppo, now. 8:18am: Trump's retort is weak and is essentially a rant calling current policy "stupidity" without explaining why? * omit ? He says the major beneficiary of US policy in th region will be Iran. He tries to take apart the Mosul scenario and asks where the element of surprise is - this has been Trump's preferred way of avoiding laying out a clear foreign policy. [caption id="attachment_23301" align="aligncenter" width="976"]Donald Trump adjusts his microphone before the debate. REUTERS/Mark Ralston/Pool Donald Trump adjusts his microphone before the debate. REUTERS/Mark Ralston/Pool[/caption] 8:15am: Iraq and Syria: Clinton for intelligence surge, for too dangerous to fly too dangerous to buy (a gun) She puts forward her case on engaging IS and worrking with stakeholders in Iraq and Syria eloquently. Clinton is eloquent and clearly knows the complexity of the situation there. 8:13am: On Trump's claims that the vote is "rigged" Trump says the media has been dishonest and that "she should not have been allowed to run." Clinton moves in beautifully: When the FBI exonerated Clinton of wrongdoing over her management of emails, he called the FBI rigged. And then she points out event after event where Trump calls people and institutions rigged when things aren't rosy for him. He refuses to accept the election reuslts, when pressed, he says I'll look into that when the time comes, saying "I will keep you in suspense." Clinton calls this attitude appalling. Even the moderator Chris Wallace tries to explain that a peaceful transition of power is an essential part of the US democracy. [caption id="attachment_23300" align="aligncenter" width="976"]Donald Trump speaks. REUTERS/Carlos Barria Donald Trump speaks. REUTERS/Carlos Barria[/caption] 8:08am: Trump claims 100% of his charity money is used for the target groups, but the moderator points out that Trump Foundation had to pay a fine for using foundation funds for personal legal fees. Clinton goes in for the kill: It is impossible to know how the money is actually being spent because Trump hasn't released his tax returns - the first candidate in 40 years not to do so. She points out that undocumented workers pay millions in taxes, but Trump isn't disclosing his returns. And wins the point. 8:02am: Her quietly delivered litany of Trump's misdeeds is stunning. Her appeal to a sense of decency will go down well, despite Trump's repeated asserions that Clinton is untrustworthy. So Clinton is now being asked about the Clinton Foundation. Trump calls it a "criminal enterprise." He says Saudi and Qatari contributions - "these people push gays off building and treat women terribly" - ought to be returned. Clinton's comeback: I'd be happy to comparte our record with the Trump Foundations'. "They spent money on a 6 foot portrait of Trump ... who does that?" [caption id="attachment_23299" align="aligncenter" width="976"]Hillary Clinton speaks. REUTERS/Carlos Barria Hillary Clinton speaks. REUTERS/Carlos Barria[/caption] So Clinton is now being asked about the Clinton Foundation. Trump calls it a "criminal enterprise." 7:59am: Trump tries to bring up email-gate. But his voice wavers and his body language suggests that Clinton has won this round, despite Trump's interjections of "Wrong". 7:58am: She opposes divisive politics. She opposes the idea that somebody who demeans others should lead the country. 7:56am: Clinton visibly in control but annoyed: "Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger." She quietly takes her point home: America is great because America is good, she says. 7:53am: Now Trump's vile comments about groping. He claims that Clinton's campaign engineered the allegations and says those claims were "debunked." "I believe she got these people to come forward...or they got their 10 minutes of fame." 7:50am: When Trump asked what he will do to spur growth, he talks about "friends" in India and China and about growth in those countries. Trump doesn't answer. But he manages to call Clinton a liar for the third time this debate. He is calm, but the name calling has not stopped. Clinton attacks Trump Inc for shipping jobs abroad and using cheap Chinese steel and aluminum - including to build the Trump establishment in Las Vegas. Clinton does a brilliant play by play comparing Trump's last thirty years to hers. This is a big point: even Trump concedes she has had more experience, but calls it "bad" experience. Her response wins her that round. 7:47am: Trump says last employment forecast so low that "I should win easily." 7:45am: He says "no matter what she says about education" - dismissing a major concern for undecided voters among the millennials and Gen Xers, and then claims Clinton's plan will double people's taxes without explaining how? Clinton clarifies: "I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k." Trump rattles off a series of numbers and says there will be "more free trade" despite earlier on sounding like he wanted protectionist policies. [caption id="attachment_23294" align="aligncenter" width="723"]Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump speaks as Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton listens during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Carlos Barria Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump speaks as Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton listens during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Carlos Barria[/caption] Clinton is under some fire for low growth rates under Obama. Clinton points out that Obama inherited the economic difficulties from his Republican predecessor. 7:40am: Now the economy: Clinton says she wants high-tech manufacturing, clean energy and more support for SMEs. She also wants women in the workplace to get equal pay. And this is a big point for undecided younger voters: she says she is for debt-free higher education. Clinton says that the funding will come from higher taxes on the wealthy and big businesses. She dismisses Trump's economic plan as "trickle down economics on steroids." Trump misses an opportunity. [caption id="attachment_23296" align="aligncenter" width="800"]President Barack Obama's half brother Malik, a guest of Donald Trump, sits in the crowd. REUTERS/Carlos Barria President Barack Obama's half brother Malik, a guest of Donald Trump, sits in the crowd. REUTERS/Carlos Barria[/caption] 7:38am: She says that Trump has been cavalier n his comments about nuclear weapons and repeats a point that has resonated with her supportes and undecided younger voters: Trump is risky when it comes to the use of nuclear weapons. 7:36am: Trump's opening salvo: "That was a great pivot" to hide the fact that she wants open borders. Clinton says Russia is carrying out espionage against the American people. Cyber attacks, she says by Russia against America, and that Trump is encouraging this. Trump tries to capitalise on the "she wants open borders" attack saying that Clinton wouldn't be able to keep ISIS out. "She doesn't like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her every step of the way," he retorts. Trump hammers home his point and comes dangerously close to losing his cool. He says Putin outsmarted the Obama administration on nuclear weapons. 7:30am: Now Clinton must answer for comments made to businesses in Brazil favouring "hemispheric common market." 7:28am: Clinton favours bringing undocumented workers into the open and not allowing businesses to underpay them and undercut US wages. Trump claims Obama has deported "millions and millions" of people. 7:26am: Clinton reminds the audience that there are 11 million people undocumented immigrants who have 4 million children who are US citizens. She says that Trump's plan would require a massive police operation to round people up, searching "from business to business", and then put them on buses and trains. Trump claims Clinton "wanted the wall." She says "I voted for border security." Trump interjects "the Wall." 7:22am: Now, immigration. Shocking. Trump's first use of Spanish during a presidential debate is likely to be met with outrage because of its racist overtones. Trump says "We need strong borders." He says there are people in the audience who have lost family members to violent crime committed by illegal immigrants - reiterating his claim that undocumented immigrants are connected to crime. "We have some bad hombres here...we need to get 'em out." He is still for "the Wall" - between the USA and Mexico. [caption id="attachment_23289" align="aligncenter" width="690"]Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump listens as Democratic US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton speaks during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Mark Ralston/Pool Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump listens as Democratic US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton speaks during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Mark Ralston/Pool[/caption] 7:19am: Clinton: I will defend women's rights to determine their own health decisions. She is under some pressure to explain her support for late term abortions. Trump uses graphic imagery to describe the procedure, which Clinton disputes. 7:15am: Trump appears more calm and collected than usual. Clinton takes a small dig at Trump, pointing out that Trump has received support and funding from the National Rifle Association (NRA). Trump takes it in stride, saying he is proud of his NRA endorsement and brings the discussion back to the Supreme Court, repeating that he wants justices that defend the Second Amendment. Now Roe v Wade: A ruling which gives women the right to terminate pregnancies under certain conditions. 7:10am: Trump: "Justice Ginsburg made inappropriate comments about me and those I represent." Trump speaks to his support base and advocates protection of the Second Amendment and will be pro-life. "They will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it" he says, indicating a conservative reading of the law. The Second Amendment refers to the right to bear arms, a contentious issue in a country under siege from gun violence. Clinton reiterates that she supports the Second Amendment but repeats that comprehensive background checks are needed. The discussion on the appointment of Supreme Court justices has quickly moved to a discussion on the gun rights issue, an issue close to the hearts of conservatives. [caption id="attachment_23298" align="aligncenter" width="976"]Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton keep their distance and do not shake hands at the start of their debate. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton keep their distance and do not shake hands at the start of their debate. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool[/caption] 7:05am: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are introduced. Wallace opens with perhaps the most important issue of this presidential debate: the Supreme Court. Up to three seats on the court will be up for nomination during this coming presidency. Clinton: The court has to stand by the people, by the LGBTQ community. "It is important that we not reverse marriage equality, Roe v Wade. She says she sees the court's role as "standing up to the powerful". [caption id="attachment_23304" align="aligncenter" width="870"]Debate moderator Chris Wallace speaks to Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool Debate moderator Chris Wallace speaks to Republican US presidential nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton during their third and final 2016 presidential campaign debate at UNLV in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, October 19, 2016. REUTERS/Joe Raedle/Pool[/caption] 7am: Chris Wallace of Fox News is moderating this third and final presidential debate.